Should I leave my job and compete with my current employer?


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Well... I work as a developer in a medium company that has a pretty big website (~1.5 mil visitors/month, i can't give you the domain, but I assure that it's the only website on that niche) in my country. The problem is I want to develop (myself) a similar project, on same niche, but much more attractive and inovative.

What do you think I should do ? I'm asking this because I feel a little bit guilty to start a project on same niche. Should I quit my job ?

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asked Feb 20 '12 at 00:54
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Michael Roonie
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The first thing I would caution you is that virtually every programmer has had the same thought some time in his career. What every senior person knows is that if one were to start over and re-build a program from scratch it is always better the second time around. You are not unique.

Then there is the parable "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence". Couple this with the thought "How hard could it be?" and it is extremely tempting to want to go out on one's own.

You need to temper this enthusiasm (which I applaud by the way) with the realization that most programmers tend to be optimists and that is why they tend to underestimate the work involved. There is also a lot more to a successful business (like legal, accounting, customer support) than just a website. Once again it is tempting to think "How hard can that be?", but be careful to not underestimate their importance. Whatever you do, go into it with your eyes open.

As to the ethics, the most professional way to prevent an ethics dilemma is full disclosure. Your company hired you to work on their system, and part of that is the expectation that if you have ideas how to make it better you will share them with the company. If you hired a programmer, wouldn't you expect the same from him? Now let's say you have the idea "Our website is built with old technology, it would be much better in HTML5 and working on tablets." Put that idea in writing and send it to your boss. Chances are 1) He already knows HTML5 is the way to go, but is too concerned with other things. and 2) Your idea will promptly be forgotten.

If after sharing your idea they do nothing (which is the most likely outcome) and you still want to go do it, go ahead, you have fulfilled your ethical and moral duty to your old company. If they were too lazy or stupid to act on your idea it is now their own fault.

On the off chance that they actually take your idea and run with it (highly unlikely), then ask for a big fat raise since you just helped them make lots of money. At a minimum you will now have it on your resume that you were the one responsible for the profits (remember you submitted the idea in writing) which should help you secure a job with another company or a partnership in a funded start-up.

As to the advisability of actually quitting your job and starting a company once you have everything square with your present company, that depends on many factors. Not everyone is suited by temperament to be an entrepreneur. Further can you afford to live without a salary while building your company? Being successful takes a lot more than simply an idea.

If you do leave, it may be in your best interest to fully disclose what you are doing. Most people shy away from this and try to hide things, which often leads to lawsuits. A classic example of where disclosure worked out well is Bob Gore (not Al Gore the politician) who was working for DuPont. Wile working for DuPont he figured out how to extrude Teflon. He went to his bosses and suggested this could be a great oppurtunity. DuPont told him they were not interested so he asked them if they minded if he quit and started a company to do this. They told him that was fine, so he did. The product is GorTex and he has done quite well.

answered Feb 20 '12 at 02:28
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Jonny Boats
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  • thanks for your answer! you helped me a little :) – Michael Roonie 8 years ago
  • I certainly don't agree that, "it is always better the second time around." Definitely sometimes, but definitely not always For a contrasting view, read [this](http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html) Joel on Software article which argues that rewriting can cause serious harm. – Matthew Flaschen 8 years ago
  • @Matthew Good point! I have read Joel's article and agree 99% with it. What he does not go into is how well the original software met the business need. The best reason to start over is when the original app solves the wrong problem, or is superceeded by new requirements. A good example would be if you had a Flash based website but a lot of your customers were getting iPads and couldn't use it because of Flash. – Jonny Boats 8 years ago
  • @JonnyBoats, agreed, when the requirements have vastly changed (rather than an evolutionary change, as with Netscape), rewriting is more appropriate. Even if you didn't want to, changing Flash to HTML 5 would entail rewriting much of the code. – Matthew Flaschen 8 years ago
  • Just be sure that if you write down your idea and your company decides not to use it, get the boss to write down that it's OK for you to use it in your own business. Usually if you've created an idea at work, your work owns it. Get the fact that they say you can have it for yourself in writing, to protect the business you start. If you don't do this, expect your old employer to come knocking once you're successful and ask for you to give them the profits on the idea they own. – Andrew Bradford 8 years ago

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What does your employment contract state, i.e. can you compete or did you sign a non-compete clause or contract? Based on your answer to this question I believe that you would have the answer to yours. It can be black and white in this scenario but if you have moral misgivings then you should probably stay away from this venture and I speak from experience in this very situation.

answered Feb 20 '12 at 01:58
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Tim
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  • there is no non-compete clause. thanks for your answer – Michael Roonie 8 years ago
  • Be very careful if you do leave. They may claim that they own your future work, because it was based on the IP you were exposed to while you worked for them. Don't take anything with you. Not even a notebook. – Mhoran Psprep 8 years ago

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Are you asking for moral advise? This is a dilemma question which nobody can answer for you. Of course it might be unfair, because your ideas goes into your own product. On the other hand your employer will probably not give you any bonus if you give them your ideas.

"The rules of fair play do not apply in love and war." - John Lyly,
"Euphues", 1578.

Or:

'All's fair in love and war,' - Francis Edward Smedley, 1850

I consider business the same as war.

Many founders have gone unfair ways. Look at Microsoft and what Bill Gates did. Countless. You need to decide if this is against your moral or not. You'll not find an answer outside of you.

Ask yourself: can you live with it? Or is it just a bad feeling when going to work each day?

if it is the latter one you can say, you'll leave the company at one day. If it is the first one you should not do it.

My guess is it is number 2.

answered Feb 20 '12 at 01:20
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Christian
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Most businesses do not turn a profit for the first, say, 18 months. Are you ready to give up the security of a regular paycheck? Working for a company can also offer the benefits of nice office space & location, insurance, pension, protection from liability, being part of a corporate community. Would you be giving up any of those things? Would you miss them? Going entrepreneur means you become entirely responsible for every aspect of the business, and for the risks of failure.

In your question, the main concern seems to be ethical. But even if your idea is rock solid, how confident are you that you can turn it into a stable and profitable business within a short amount of time? If you're not totally sure, I'd stay in the job and think through all the little details. Plan to quit only when you are really ready to execute your plan.

answered Feb 20 '12 at 06:16
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Ted.Strauss
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