Time for Capital Fundraising - but they want so much?


We are an existing company of 4 years, with 5% of market share in our chosen market. The market we have chosen is an infrastructure market. It is a recession proof market.

We have built the company from scratch, with our own money. We have no debt to outside early investors. We have a product which is certified by the federal government in Australia. We want to now move globally and expand into other synchronised markets here. Our product is unique in that the market we have chosen to enter is a hard to enter market due to compliance and community values being fundamental infrastructure components to success.

We are looking to raise capital because we want to develop our product to enable bigger market share of the current market, expand the product template to enable the other complimentary markets and then also move globally into USA, UK within a year from funds.

We have had 3 forecasts done by PriceWaterhouse Coopers which are conservative, medium and bullish. Conservative forecasting still shows a 1.5billion dollar forecast over 5 years. Bullish at 30% market growth shows 6.5 billion dollar forecast over 5 years.

We are engaged with a company who is putting together the IM and they have done an internal based valuation. I am concerned this valuation is a conflict of interest as the firm receives options to be exercised within 5 years, at the original investment price of first investors.

I am looking for an arms length valuation, and some advice on dilution. My first question is:

  1. Is it normal to keep a low valuation regardless of the forecast and existing proven revenue model, just because it is the first investor?
  2. If the investment is only $3million for the first round, and we are aware of the growth potential, (having done all due diligence on territories, competitors and capabilities, and still found we are the leader in the field globally, with no other company providing what we have developed) should that 2 or 3 million be worth 25-45% of the company?
  3. We are concerned the first round will only cover current territory and build, not expansion into the next territories, even though we have stated we want to make sure that money is available for year 2. The advisors are saying we will do a second round raising. But that would need to start immediately if we are to move into OS in year two.

I realise this is a lot, but it's a real live situation which I hope many others reading this will benefit from.

kind regards


asked Nov 9 '11 at 08:08
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  • This is not an answer to your question -- so I will put it in the comment. You have raised significant concerns about the company that you have hired. Do not enter this process without working with someone you trust and believe in. You deserve and need a partner -- especially one who may become an owner in the future. – Joseph Barisonzi 12 years ago

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For some background, have a read of

  • Josephs recent answer on the myths of startups, specifically his point on ownership.
  • my blog post on sharesplit guidelines
  • there is an ownership calculator written by @AlainRaynaud which might help you play through senarios
  • There was a great post on the dilution effects on founders but after a few google searches can't find it again.
  • Have a look through the archives of This week in venture capital and This week in Startups, they will give you a good background from the investors side and from the negotiation standpoint.

There are no hard and fast rules about these things, only what ends up working well for both sides. There are "rules of thumb" or common patterns you see emerging that you can go by, I will speak to these for the rest of the answers.

To look at your questions Question 1. No a valuation is a valuation, you don't make it low or high, you just get several, understand the metrics around how you came up with the valuations and these should then be seen as a guideline (though many people take them as absolutes).

I think if you're a young company and the model has a "few wins" but no solid track record the valueation "risk factor" eg $1B + or - $0.75B meaning it could go really well or it could go very wrong.

eg. Your product expansion and beliefs around the next stage of your market may be completely the wrong direction. Your key people may have a falling out and you can't get people that good again. A better backed competitor comes in (if its a good market then they will).

This is what is in the back of your potential investor's mind (or at least should be).

There are valuation companies (like PWC) who can help you put a value on your company, but they will have a series of metrics which may or may not suit your situation, and which may or may not be believable to your investor. Your problem is your personal valuation is based on your knowledge and belief in yourself and you need to hit your 30% target.

Question 2 and 3. 25% is not unreasonable for $3M in the first round generally speaking, they are taking a substantial risk that you're going to acheive the goals you have set (they aren't you and they don't know you in depth, so from their perspective its a risk).

That said 40+% feels a little unreasonable unless they are contributing marketing and opening a lot of doors to make you succeed.

Starting now on second round funding is a "safe" call so you know its there when you have it. Though I think there may be a bias from the consultants to keep their interest in there. If your first round investors have enough for second round, they are the most likely second round investors, or will find them when the time comes ... so I would balance the effort you expend in this direction.

I think you need to play through the senarios in Excel for a few hours, with the percentage ownerships of Seed investors diluted down by round 1 being further diluted down by round 2. This will give you the proper feel for what it will mean to you in the next rounds.

So it really comes down to you and your trade off Is $3M going to make the difference you need to help you achieve your "mid level or bullish" estimates? Is your remaining 75% and its subsequent dilution going to be worth more at that point than your 100% now?

answered Nov 9 '11 at 09:36
Robin Vessey
8,394 points
  • Hi Robin, Well thankyou so very much for your feedback speed and comprehension. I will take all on board and think on it overnight. I might come back again. I really appreciate your input. :) Ruby – Ruby 12 years ago
  • @Ruby Robin is an Aussie too. I would see if he is close to you and look him up. He would be a fabulous contact for you! – Joseph Barisonzi 12 years ago


You're bound to feel at a disadvantage, because this is clearly the first time you've gone through the process, and you have no idea whether you're being given good, impartial advice, or whether the firm you have hired to produce the IM are giving themselves an easy life at your expense - plus a big side-order of upside at no risk.

So in the first instance, it's their job to prove to you that their judgement is reasonable. They should be more than happy to show you a list or summary of many relevant transactions in your space (I'd expect this to have been part of their proposal), and to let you talk to recent and not-so-recent clients to give you a better ability to understand some of the issues peer-to-peer.

Then look at existing relationships. PwC constructed the forecasts - who better to give you the benefit of their experience on the best way to raise? Whether or not they wanted or would have been permitted to participate in this process, they should value you as a client and want to work with you in future as you grow.

And if you still have concerns, you need to be ready to go back a step.

On the face of it, based on the numbers you've shown your core objectives are unlikely to be met: you know you'll need to raise more, you want to keep control, and it seems high risk that the next round could squash that.

Take that concern back to your advisors. If they knew your parameters and priorities, insist they demonstrate how they will be met as this round and the next play out. And if they didn't, apologise that it's taken you a while to get fully clear in your own mind what's most important to you, lay down the rules, and ask them whether they're ready, willing and able to go back to the drawing board with you or whether they would prefer to bow out.

You're making big decisions. You need to get back to a point where you feel fully on top of the facts and in full control of events. Don't make the mistake of letting your planning timetable or the professional service provider decisions create a false sense of urgency or a need to follow through regardless of the consequences.

Good luck! I hope this works out well for you!

answered Nov 9 '11 at 20:01
Jeremy Parsons
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